How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

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ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

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ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

Are Turks ashamed of their Islamic heritage?

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

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One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

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ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

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Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

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How were cows used in ancient India?

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

I am like a fish out of water,

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

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ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

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At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

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Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

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ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

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ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

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I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

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Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

then who is there to know what happens without?

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

Now here in this verse

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

NOW…

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I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

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Sain (a barber)

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

Kabir (a weaver)

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

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Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

CONCLUSION:

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

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